Europa hat ein Problem mit Feuerwaffen

[Jägermeister]

 

[Medizinmann]

Auch sehr spannend was die Letzeburger wohl zu ihrem Suffprinzen sagen

[Gunfire]

vor 40 Minuten, Medizinmann sagte:

Werden denn dann dafür wenigstens alle Flinten, Einzellader und Perkussionsrevolver frei erwerbbar ab 18? Wie in so vielen EU Ländern auch?

Jetza hasch aber a sauguats Schbässle gmacht, gel.

Grüße

Gunfire

[Der Reservist]

vor 2 Stunden, Zylinderbohrung sagte:

Wir versuchen das seit September und werden vertröstet und vertröstet. Jetzt soll im Januar ein Termin sein, allerdings wissen wir bis heute noch nicht wann das sein soll.

Ich weiß - Termine sind schwierig zu bekommen - aber das muß eine "Massenbewegung" werden. Die Lokalpolitiker müßten sich vor Einladungen nicht mehr retten können - -  Es sind Wahlen und sie brauchen Stimmen (dabei die AfD nicht vergessen)

Es würde sich auch schlecht machen, wenn die etablierten Parteien abgesagt haben und die AfD mit einem solchen Besuch in der Presse ist.

Ein bißchen Taktik ein bißchen "Erpressung", ein bißchen von allem sei uns in dieser Lage erlaubt.

[Jägermeister]

[Jägermeister]

[Doom]

Pressemitteilung:

http://www.presseportal.de/pm/122498/3508443

Zitat

Firearms United

EU Feuerwaffen-Direktive: EU-Kommission erhöht Druck aufgrund drohender Niederlage

12.12.2016 – 11:03

 

 

[Hollowpoint]

Die einstimmige Zustimmung aller 28 MS zum Kommissionsbullshit ist so wahrscheinlich wie mein Gewinn des Physik-Nobelpreises 2017!

 

GRUß

[Jägermeister]

Nicht das ich ihn Dir nicht gönnen würde, aber ...

[Doom]

Brief von Vicky Ford an alle MEPs:

Zitat

Dear Colleagues,

I thought it would be helpful to provide a detailed update on the Firearms Directive.

European laws on firearms have been in place since 1991. Certain weaknesses and failings of the existing Directive came to light in the aftermath of recent terrorist attacks. Last November the Commission proposed a revision, however the reforms were not balanced or workable for the legitimate gun holder. There was no majority in the Parliament committee to reject outright the Commission proposals.  Therefore the Parliament has been going through an amendment process which I have been leading as rapporteur.  There is now an agreement in principle on key elements.

Background

The Directive sets out the conditions under which private persons may lawfully acquire and possess guns or transfer them to another EU country.  The Directive also sets requirements for marking and keeping and sharing of registers.  

Firearm types are defined as Category A,B or C.  Category A firearms are prohibited except for certain types of individuals, Category B firearms need an “authorisation”, and owners of Category C firearms need to declare their ownership but do not need authorisation.

Salute and Acoustic Firearms

The previous treatment of so called “salute and acoustic firearms” raised security concerns. These are working firearms converted to fire blanks.  Under the existing Directive in certain countries these could be sold without authorisations and some were easily re-converted to live firearms. This type of firearm was used in Paris terrorist attacks. A cache of over 30 were discovered in the UK in 2015. 

The rules covering these firearms will now be tightened. Going forward any firearm which has been converted to fire blanks must remain licensed under the same rules as its original live-firing version.

Deactivated Firearms

In order to strengthen deactivation regimes, the European Commission introduced a new Deactivation Regulation which came into force in April 2016.  This sets a single standard for deactivation of firearms.  However technical implementation issues have arisen and some countries are concerned that the new standard is less secure than their previous national regime.  Following pressure from the Parliament, the European Commission has now re-convened a Working Group of Experts from the European Member States to review the Regulation. The Commission has committed that a revision will be completed by early 2017.

Introduction of the Deac-Reg caused problems for legitimate holders of deactivated firearms such as historical re-enactors and those involved in film making etc, as it prohibits them from selling or transferring across borders any items deactivated prior to April 2016 unless the items are re-deactivated to the new standard, which is not technically possible in many cases.  Following pressure from the Parliament there will now be a process to assess national standards in use prior to April 2016.  If the standards are accepted by the Working Group and Commission as “equivalent” then items deactivated to that previous regime will be able to be bought, sold and transferred without requiring further modification.

The Commission proposed that all deactivated firearms would become subject to the same  registration and authorisation procedures as firearms.  This was rejected. Instead the negotiations agreed that newly deactivated firearms should be categorised in Category C and need to be declared to national authorities while this would not apply to existing deactivated firearms. 

Category A

The Commission’s original proposal added:

Category A6  “Automatic firearms which have been converted into semi-automatic firearms“ and Category A7 “Semi-automatic firearms for civilian use which resemble weapons with automatic mechanisms”  

These were both rejected by the Parliament. There is experience that categorising items based on the subjectivity of “resemblance” creates legal uncertainty.

Category A6

The Parliament’s initial committee approach was that “Automatic firearms which have been converted into semi-automatic firearms” should remain in Category B if the conversion was irreversible and be in Category A only if the conversion was reversible. The Parliament  proposed that the Commission should develop new technical standards to define which conversions were irreversible. However, the Commission was not prepared to accept responsibility for preparing technical specifications on these conversions. 

To reach agreement negotiators representing the majority of the Parliament conceded that automatic firearms converted into semi-automatic firearms should be Category A but added new authorisation procedures so that, at the discretion of the Member State, reservists, target shooters and others with special licences would be permitted to hold these. In addition a grandfathering clause is added so that existing owners can continue to own, transfer, inherit or sell these firearms to others who have appropriate authorisation. Again this is at the discretion of the Member State.

Category A7

Instead of using  “resemblance” criteria both Parliament and Council proposed to add to Category A semi-automatic centre-fire firearms when a high-capacity loading device is fitted.   Firearms have been categorised depending upon loading capacity already in the current Directive, and the new rules extend this approach.  This only affects firearms which use centre-fire and not rimfire percussion ammunition.  

The categorisation applies when the firearm and magazine is in combination together, and does not depend merely on whether the firearms is capable of having a higher capacity magazine inserted.  This has been made explicit in the text for adoption.  

Following lengthy negotiations, it was agreed that for long firearms exceeding 60 cm a magazine with a capacity greater than 10 rounds would be restricted, while for a short firearm the limit would be at 20 rounds.

Member States will be able to give authorisations for reservists, target shooters and others with special licences for these firearms.  As for those firearms that now fall under Category A6, there is a grandfathering clause. 

Status of magazines/ loading devices

Law enforcement authorities in certain countries pressed hard for restrictions on higher capacity magazines.  The Council approach was to prohibit their possession but this was rejected by the Parliament as it was considered impractical to enforce.  Instead it was agreed that future acquisitions of loading devices will depend upon showing a valid and appropriate license, as is already the case for ammunition, so only those with authorisation to hold category A firearms will be permitted to acquire high capacity magazines.   

People who are found in possession of a high capacity magazine after a transition period and who do not have a category A authorisation will risk having their authorisation to hold firearms removed.

Special provisions for ownership

Member states will be able to give Category A authorisations to individuals for the protection of the security of critical infrastructure, commercial shipping, high-value convoys and sensitive premises, as well as for national defence, educational, cultural, research and historical purposes

Museums and collectors: Member states will be able to give Category A authorisations to recognised museums and in exceptional and duly reasoned cases to collectors, subject to strict security measures. The collection of ammunition is permitted.

Target shooters:   Member states will be able to give Category A authorisations to target shooters provided the individual is actively practising for or participating in shooting competitions. We have worked closely with the International Practical Shooting Confederation to ensure that the authorisation covers those entering the sport as well as those already competing. The current freedom of choice of equipment used by competitors in their shooting disciplines is not restricted. To facilitate continued participation in international competitions the rules governing the European Firearms Pass will be updated to cover firearms, including Category A firearms, held by such target shooters.  

Reservists:  Armed forces, the police and the public authorities are outside the scope. The provisions for authorisation for national defence also enables Member States to issue reservists with firearms.

Switzerland: Language is introduced to cover the Swiss system based on general conscription which enables the transfer of military firearms to persons leaving the army.  

Film industry: Many film productions in Europe use  firearms including deactivated firearms, purpose-built blank firing firearms as well as live firearms, usually firing blanks, all depending on the nature of the production. The Commission initial proposals would have jeopardised this but the Parliament text has re-instated the ability for special authorisations for the film industry under strict controls.

Re-enactors: The European Firearms Pass enables legitimate owners to move firearms across borders. This  has been updated to assist historical re-enators.

Private modifications: Hand-loading and reloading of ammunition will remain permitted. Modifications of firearms for private use are also still permitted by private owners and not restricted only to dealers or brokers. 

Medical systems

The existing law states that authorisations are only permitted for those who “are not likely to be a danger to themselves or others”.  The Commission suggested that medical tests should been needed for each authorisation and these should be reviewed every five years.  However point-in-time medical tests are not necessarily effective.  Instead it was agreed that each Member State must have a monitoring system to assess relevant medical and psychological information which they may operate on a continuous or non-continuous basis.  Authorisation will be withdrawn if any of the conditions on which it was granted are no longer met, or may be renewed or prolonged if the conditions are still fulfilled. Member States can decide whether or not the assessment involves a prior medical or psychological test.  This does not change national approaches or introduce new EU-wide requirements for medical testing. 

Marking, Registers and Information Sharing

The current law requires firearms to be marked and registered so that each firearm can be linked to its owner. Law enforcement and Europol noted the risk of sales of parts. Going forward the essential components of a firearm also need to be marked and registered. To avoid risk of confusion the main identifier will be the  mark affixed to the frame or receiver. The new marking requirements will not apply to existing firearms. Firearms of historical importance may not need markings depending on national law.

To improve information sharing, dealers and brokers will need to inform national authorities of transfers through electronic means and Member States will share information on firearms held in their country.

Next steps

The provisional deal still needs to be confirmed by the EU member states’ permanent representatives (Coreper) and by Parliament’s Internal Market Committee. This is to happen towards the end of January 2017. The draft directive would then be put to a vote by the full Parliament in a plenary session in 2017 and formally approved by the EU Council of Ministers.

It was proposed that Member States would have 15 months to transpose the new rules into national legislation and 30 months to introduce new systems for sharing of information. Members States may decide to suspend the requirement for declaring deactivated weapons and prior category D firearms for 30 months from the entry into force of the Directive.

Thanks

I would like to thank the many organisations who have assisted with technical advice including International Practical Shooting Confederation (IPSC), The European Federation of Associations for Hunting & Conservation (FACE), The Nordic Hunters’ Alliance, Federation of European Societies of Arms Collectors (FESAC), The Association of European Manufactures of Sporting Firearms, The British Association for Shooting and Conservation, Deactivated Weapons Association, Historical Breechloading Smallarms Association, The Royal Armouries, the Imperial War Museums and the Royal Museum of the Armed Forces and Military History. 

With many thanks,

Vicky Ford

Vicky Ford MEP

Chairman of Internal Market Committee

 

[Zylinderbohrung]

Sehr gut! Jetzt wird der Shice schon mal auf 2017 verschoben. Je mehr Wahlen vergehen, desto besser für uns. Ab März werden die Holländer das auch nicht mehr dufte finden. Ab Mai die Franzosen und die Italiener wählen bis dahin bestimmt auch noch mal.

[Schwedenmauser]

Davon ab dass der von Vicky Ford genannte Sachstand ziemlich "deutsch" rüber kommt, wäre eine Verabschiedung der Direktive auf diesem Level ein Schlag ins Gesicht der Kommission. 

Soweit ich das verstanden habe, dürfte sich für uns in D nicht viel ändern - es gibt aber genug Staaten, die daraufhin Restriktionen zu erwarten haben, und schon aus Solidarität zu unseren Mitstreitern dort müssen wir weiter Druck machen.

RESIST AND BITE!

 

Gruß vom Schwedenmauser

[Doom]

Zitat

People who are found in possession of a high capacity magazine after a transition period and who do not have a category A authorisation will risk having their authorisation to hold firearms removed.

Nur mal so als Beispiel: Magazine sind bis jetzt frei in D, falls ihr welche sammelt, kanns das gewesen sein mit euren WBKs falls man bei euch eine Trommel findet...

[Schwedenmauser]

@Doom:

Darum weiterkämpfen, da noch genug im Argen liegt bzw. manche Dinge vielleicht einfach nicht zu Ende gedacht wurden...

[Gunfire]

vor 19 Minuten, Doom sagte:

Nur mal so als Beispiel: Magazine sind bis jetzt frei in D, falls ihr welche sammelt, kanns das gewesen sein mit euren WBKs falls man bei euch eine Trommel findet...

Wenn man eine Trommel kauft, benötigt man keinen Voreintrag, da Wechselteil, allerdings muss man das WT innerhalb 14 Tagen in die WBK eintragen lassen. Habe ich und mein SB das mit einer Wechseltrommel und einem Wechsellauf so gemacht.
War allerdings auf Gelb. Wie das mit Grün oder Rot ausschaut, ist mir nicht bekannt, da ich hier keinen Bedarf habe.

Grüße

Gunfire

[Doom]

Sorry, ich meinte so eine Trommel:

[Gunfire]

vor 1 Minute, Doom sagte:

Sorry, ich meinte so eine Trommel:

Das ist fachlich ein Trommelmagazin. Ist ein kleiner Unterschied.

Grüße

Gunfire

[Anthrax]

Ist ja auch bumms,

die terminologische Diskussion kann man führen, wenn auf dem Einzugsbescheid der WBK - unerlaubter Besitz einer Trommel- steht.

 

Ändert nix dran, dass billig gekaufte G3-Surplus Magazine einen von der WBK befreien könnten und noch keiner ne Aussage gemacht hat, ob man Magazine überhaupt blockieren darf, oder ob die werksseitig für max 10 ausgelegt sein dürfen.

[Medizinmann]

Ich lösche deinen Beitrag jetzt gleich mal, da sind zuviele schlechte Ideen für den Fürst drin.

[greyman]

vor 3 Stunden, Doom sagte:

People who are found in possession of a high capacity magazine after a transition period and who do not have a category A authorisation will risk having their authorisation to hold firearms removed.

Was auf eine Enteignung hinausläuft. Im Moment sind alle Magazine für Jagdscheininhaber legal nutzbar.

Muss ich die Magazine wohl meiner Mitbewohnerin schenken. Sie darf diese dann legal besitzen, solange sie keine Waffen legal besitzt.

[Hollowpoint]

vor 8 Stunden, Schwedenmauser sagte:

Davon ab dass der von Vicky Ford genannte Sachstand ziemlich "deutsch" rüber kommt, wäre eine Verabschiedung der Direktive auf diesem Level ein Schlag ins Gesicht der Kommission.

Weiter Druck machen ist eine gute Sache! 

Aber wir müssen nach dem ganzen Gebell nun auch mal kraftvoll zubeißen!!!!

Im Frühjahr 2017 finden Landtagswahlen in NRW, Saarland und S-H statt. Die AfD muß auf jeden Fall auch in diese Landtage einziehen. Am Besten mit 10%+XXXL!!!

Dann natürlich unsere nationale Schicksalswahl im Herbst 2017! Hier gilt es, Rotblutrotgrün zu verhindern und möglichst auch Schwarz/Grün. Union 33%, AfD mindestens 15% und FDP 6%+X wären angenehme Ergebnisse.

Und dann natürlich die Große Vaterländische Rachewahl im Mai 2019! Dann kann es für alle freiheitsliebenden Deutschen nur EINE Wahl geben: AfD!!!

 

GRUß

[Immerbadisch]

vor 9 Stunden, greyman sagte:

Was auf eine Enteignung hinausläuft. Im Moment sind alle Magazine für Jagdscheininhaber legal nutzbar.

Muss ich die Magazine wohl meiner Mitbewohnerin schenken. Sie darf diese dann legal besitzen, solange sie keine Waffen legal besitzt.

bring die "Vögel von der EU-Kommunission" bitte nicht noch auf weitere falsche Gedanken.Deine Mitbewohnerin kommt dann glatt noch in "Sippenhaft"....alles schon mal dagewesen...

[Immerbadisch]

vor 14 Stunden, Hollowpoint sagte:

Weiter Druck machen ist eine gute Sache! 

LKR(Liberalkonservative Reformer ) bitte ebenfalls wählen!!!

[Hollowpoint]

Just now, Immerbadisch sagte:

LKR bitte nicht vergessen!!!

Null Wahlchancen..........................

 

GRUß

[Immerbadisch]

vor 9 Stunden, Hollowpoint sagte:

Null Wahlchancen..........................

Wer sagt das denn? Ohne die LKR hätte es z.Bsp. nicht eine einzige Initiative der Legalwaffenbesitzer im EP gegeben, bei welcher  200 Stakeholder mit der Firearms United Führung zugegen waren...wo war denn die AFD, der Herr Pretzell z.Bsp???...Schreiben kann man viel, nur MACHEN, das ist schon ein Unterschied!!!