Hollowpoint

die neutralisierung Dresdens

Promillo, dieser Begriff ist ein ebenso widerlicher Euphemismus wie die Bezeichnung "hinrichten, hingerichtet" der deutschen Journaille, wenn mal wieder Terroristen eine Geisel ermorden, oder ein paar irakische Polizisten umlegen!

Nach Deiner Lesart war dann die "Neutralisierung" von Coventry oder Hammerfest auch kein Kriegsverbrechen.

Heutzutage sind die meisten zivilisierten Menschen der Auffassung, daß ALLE derartigen Vernichtungsangriffe auf die Zivilbevölkerung üble Kriegsverbrechen waren und sind!

Lediglich aufgrund der Tatsache, daß die Alliierten die Angegriffenen waren, kann man bei diesen Verbrechen (in der historischen Beurteilung) einige mildernde Umstände zubilligen.

Auch die Amerikaner hätten vor den Atombombenabwürfen auf Japan moralisch sauberer handeln können, wenn sie zuerst einmal einige hochrangige japanische Militätbeobachter zu einer Demonstration auf irgend ein gottverlassenes Atoll "eingeladen" hätten, dabei eine Bombe gezündet und die Japse ultimativ zur Kapitulation binnen eines Monats aufgefordert hätten.

Wären sie danach nicht darauf eingegangen, dann hätte Hiroshima und Nagasaki ein weniger übles "Gschmäckle" gehabt..........

So wäre ich jedenfalls an Truman's Stelle vorgegangen.

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Man glaubt nicht, wie ordinär und beleidigend diese friedensbewegten Gutmenschen gegenüber einem Andersdenkenden sein können, wenn sie anonym anrufen oder schreiben.

O doch! Ich glaube es......... :puke:

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Ja genau, und die böööösen Dumm-Dumm-Geschosse erst die so eine Glock verschießt....... :gaga:

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»Waffen gehören nicht in die Hände von Privatleuten«, fordert Kurt Eicher, Studiendirektor, Biologe und Sprecher der Initiative zur Abschaffung der Jagd. »Dies hat spätestens schon das Massaker von Erfurt deutlich gemacht, wo ein Schüler mit einer Jagdwaffe Lehrer und Mitschüler erschoss.

Wen kümmert's schon, was ein kleines Schullehrerlein in gutmenschelnden Delirium so alles verbal absondert.

Die Behauptung, das Erfurt-Massaker wurde mit einer Jagdwaffe verübt, zeigt doch, wie ernst der Herr Demagoge....ääähhh.....Pädagoge zu nehmen ist.

Wenn er genau so einen Müll im Unterricht verzapft, dann wundert mich PISA nicht im Mindesten. :mrgreen:

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Man sollte auch bedenken, daß früher (und ich meine jetzt VIEL früher) die Zerstörung von Dörfern und Städten, sowie das (teilweise) Auslöschen der Zivilbevölkerung bei vielen Völkern im Krieg ganz normaler Usus war.

Mangels technischer Möglichkeiten nicht durch Flächenbombardements, sondern ganz "old fashioned" durch Brandschatzung.

Insbesondere die Mongolen haben sich dabei äußerst "rühmlich" hervorgetan.

Oder die Römer in Karthago.

Oder die Kreuzritter 1099 in Jerusalem.

Oder etliche Vorfälle im Dreißigjährigen Krieg.

Oder die Zerstörung von Atlanta durch Sherman.

Oder, oder, oder...................

Die Liste ist endlos lang...........

Besonders traurig ist, daß große Teile der Menschheit daraus bis heute nix gelernt haben.

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. Die Konkurrenz, wer am wenigstens hat, kann Deutschland nie gewinnen.

Das sicher nicht.......

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Dass Dresden zerstört wurde, haben wir ausschließlich unserem größenwahnsinnigen Adolf zu verdanken, sonst niemanden.

Das sehe ich nicht ganz so!

Die gezielten Angriffe auf die deutsche Zivilbevölkerung waren sehr wohl Kriegsverbrechen.

Richtig hingegen ist, daß der AUSLÖSER dieser alliierten Kriegsverbrechen der größenwahnsinnige Österreicher aus Braunau war.

Das Ganze zeigt, daß kaum ein Volk dieser Welt irgend eine Art "moralischer Überlegenheit" für sich in Anspruch nehmen kann.

Irgendwelchen Dreck haben die Meisten am Stecken!

Manche mehr, manche weniger..........

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SS...............selber schuld! :aua:

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ÖHA!!!

Da hab' ich mich aber sauber geirrt!

Das kam daher, weil über dieser Meldung "Sachsen im Netz" stand.

Na ja, die Bazi-Polizei ist da auch nicht allzu viel besser. Die können auch schwerpunktmäßig "hart hinlangen". :mrgreen:

Auch eine Amokfahrt rechtfertigt NACH dem Stoppen des Fahrzeugs keinen Todesschuß, WENN der Täter die Polizisten nicht mit potentiell tödlichen Waffen bedroht.

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Aus dieser dürren Meldung kann man die näheren Umstände des Todesschusses nicht erkennen.

Aber bei der Sachsenpolizei schwant mir Übles..........

Hoffentlich irre ich mich und der Beamte hat diesmal zu Recht geschossen.

:?

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Zum KOTZEN ist auch dieser Satz (stammt wohl noch vom ollen Brenneke):

"Bei der Abwägung ist zu berücksichtigen, dass der Gebrauch von Waffen zunächst dem Schutz der Rechtsordnung dient und dieser Schutz als Kernbereich dem Staat obliegt. Aus diesem Grund sind die Vorschriften des Gesetzes nicht nur bei Ausnahmeregelungen restriktiv auszulegen."

Denen brennt wohl der Kittel!!! :evil: :evil: :evil:

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Ja, an der NRW-Fassung hat ja der BdMP tatkräftig mitgearbeitet! :evil:

Ich gehe allerdings nicht davon aus, daß der NRW-Entwurf übernommen werden wird.

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183 Seiten (!!!) Müll................ich krieg die KRISE!!! :evil:

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Unter den Umständen wäre es mir natürlich eine Ehre, der sächsischen Polizei ein paar Schachteln 9 x 19 zu spendieren

Aber nicht dem sächsischen SEK!!!

Die stellen ohne Mun weniger Unsinn an! :evil:

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Lese das erst einmal richtig, dann wirst Du feststellen das ich damit gar nicht gemeint bin!

Das ist mir schon klar!

Ich meinte damit nur, daß sich der Doc gerne mit jedem duellieren würde, der ihm nicht paßt!

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http://www.berettaforum.net/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=6;t=007994;p=2

Schiller

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posted 12-15-2004 06:02 AM

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"It means that, although Dr. Raffaelli was indeed interviewed by the magazine, he never made that statement. Oftentime some "journalists" will take 'artistic license' and edit statements to make them look however they want. If you don't believe me, pick any minute of "Bowling for Columbine"...

Matteo Recanatini

Director, Consumer Marketing and Communication "

Well Mr. Recanatini,

it seems about time to respond.

That a certain individual here, living in the US, going by the nick MarkDW is not happy with VISIER I can easily live with. VISIER is bought by some fifty thousand consumers every months and of course some of theopinions expressed might anger some readers somewhere. I don't know MarcDW and don't know what caused his ire, but who cares anyway? Everybody has a right to his or hers opinions...

But you, Sir, write here not as an individual or as a small gun dealer, but with the authority of the office and the company you represent.

And as such I find some of your statements, and the tone not quite acceptable.

Let me add, that in the good old times, whose passings I sometimes deplore ... one could have called you out and the matter would be easily settled between gentlemen on a fresh morning lawn with a pair of pistols or two good swords ...

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Dich mit Doc Schiller duellieren natürlich! :mrgreen:

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Oje!

Das dürfte auf ein Duell alter Schule hinauslaufen!

Richtig stilecht mit Steinschloßpistolen und Sekundanten.

Ich fürchte, dabei dürfte MarcDW in die Fußstapfen von Alexander Hamilton treten.

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Erstens heißt's nicht "Kugel", sondern "Geschoss" (außer wenn jemand mit einem alten Vorderlader schießt) und zweitens bohrt sich nur das Geschoss irgendwo rein und nicht die Patrone, die beim Abschuß aufhört als solche zu existieren.

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Die künftige NRA-Präsidentin Sandra Froman meint, daß es für die Zukunft des Schießsports und des Legalwaffenbesitzes von höchster Wichtigkeit ist, Frauen verstärkt an den Schießsport heranzuführen und Vorurteile von Frauen gegenüber Waffen abzubauen. Recht hat sie!

To: ALL MEDIA

For Immediate Release

January 28, 2005

Incoming NRA president: Reaching out to women crucial in preserving 2nd Amendment freedoms

LAS VEGAS ­­– Reaching out to American women and introducing them to shooting sports will be crucial in defending and preserving the freedoms that millions of sportsmen and women enjoy. That was the core message delivered to a luncheon crowd at the 2005 SHOT Show during an address by the National Rifle Association’s incoming president, Sandra Froman.

“American women represent our greatest challenge and our richest opportunity to either save Second Amendment freedom, or see it surrendered to ignorance and fear,” said Froman.

Froman, who will become president of the NRA in April, spoke to hundreds of women at the SHOT Show’s annual Women in the Industry luncheon.

Froman encouraged women to spread the word about shooting to other women – and to take them shooting – in an effort to better their understanding and bring them out of the dark.

“How do we bring them on board? Simple. By reaching out to them with the truth about firearms and the truth about the freedom to own them,” said Froman.

“Invite them to come shooting with you, so they can try it themselves at the range…maybe some will enjoy it, maybe some won’t. But I guarantee you that every one of them will walk away from the experience a lot less likely to buy into the lies of those who want to take our freedoms away,” said Froman.

Introducing more women to shooting will not only play an important role in the voting booth, Froman said, but it will also help in reaching the nation’s youth.

“Young men and women represent the future of our freedoms,” Froman said. “But you know what? If you want to reach out to young people, you need to reach out to their parents first. In most cases, that means the mother.”

Froman praised programs like the National Shooting Sports Foundation’s STEP OUTSIDE program and the NRA’s Women on Target program, which both help to introduce shooting and shooting sports to many who might not otherwise get involved.

She also said reaching out to women as consumers can make a difference by introducing more “women-friendly” products.

“I believe we ought to offer women more options, more choices, more product innovation in firearms and hunting gear, so they don’t feel as though they have to use a man’s gun or wear a man’s clothes if they want to enjoy the shooting sports,” Froman said. “Besides, next to shooting, my favorite pastime is shopping.”

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Leider kein Bild vorhanden. Wahrscheinlich wäre es der Zeitung zu peinlich gewesen, solch unamerikanische Gegenstände auch noch abzulichten.........

Ich denke, Frauen mögen es zwar leicht, kompakt und nicht allzu magnummäßig, aber ein S&W "LadySmith" oder eine Glock 26 darf's in der Regel schon sein!

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................ich glaub's allerdings NICHT!!!

Keine senkrechte Dame in Alabama wird sich mit SO einem Witz in der Öffentlichkeit sehen lassen!

http://www.wtvm.com/Global/story.asp?S=2797611&nav=8fapV5ru

A Smiths Station man owns a handgun you don't see everyday. In fact, it's the only one of it's kind. Philip Camp built his personal defense weapon after talking to 50 different women.

"It was designed for women by women. I just took what they wanted in a handgun or a self defense weapon and put it in there," said Camp.

What he found is they wanted something with multiple safety features, easy to use, and non-lethal. His gun uses rubber and pepper projectiles and has a maximum effective range of 36 feet. He said women liked the idea of having something just for them.

"We have things for us. We've got big bad guns. We've got big bad rifles, shotguns, pistols of all sorts, but they don't have that that they can call their own," Camp said.

Because this weapon is made specifically for women, there's absolutely no recoil.

"The biggest thing women were telling me was when they try to shoot their husbands' pistols or revolvers is they kick and hurt their hand, and they're intimidated," said Camp.

If you run out of ammo, just turn it around and hit the attacker.

"You can drop it, and you can throw it. It will never go off unless it's cocked," said Camp.

Camp has a license from the federal government, as well as a patent pending on this device. Lee County Sheriff Jay Jones said he thinks this weapon is a good idea.

"Any weapon that doesn't use lethal force is a great alternative," said Jones.

Camp currently does not have a financial backer or partner for the weapon, but is looking for one. If you are interested in helping him out, you can contact him at (334)214-0095.

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40 Reasons to Support Gun Control

(Apparently derived from the essay by Michael Z. Williamson.)

(Also known as the proof positive that Liberals are not just stupid, but insane.)

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Banning guns works, which is why New York, DC, and Chicago cops need guns.

Washington DC's low murder rate of 69 per 100,000 is due to strict gun control, and Indianapolis' high murder rate of 9 per 100,000 is due to the lack of gun control.

Statistics showing high murder rates justify gun control but statistics showing increasing murder rates after gun control are "just statistics."

The Brady Bill and the Assault Weapons Ban, both of which went into effect in 1994, are responsible for the decrease in violent crime rates, which have been declining since 1991.

We must get rid of guns because a deranged lunatic may go on a shooting spree at any time and anyone who would own a gun out of fear of such a lunatic is paranoid.

The more helpless you are the safer you are from criminals.

An intruder will be incapacitated by tear gas or oven spray, but if shot with a .357 Magnum will get angry and kill you.

A woman raped and strangled is morally superior to a woman with a smoking gun and a dead rapist at her feet.

When confronted by violent criminals, you should "put up no defense — give them what they want, or run" (Handgun Control Inc. Chairman Pete Shields, Guns Don't Die - People Do, 1981, p. 125).

The New England Journal of Medicine is filled with expert advice about guns; just like Guns and Ammo has some excellent treatises on heart surgery.

One should consult an automotive engineer for safer seatbelts, a civil engineer for a better bridge, a surgeon for spinal paralysis, a computer programmer for Y2K problems, and Sarah Brady [or Sheena Duncan, Adele Kirsten, Peter Storey, etc.] for firearms expertise.

The 2nd Amendment, ratified in 1787, refers to the National Guard, which was created by an act of Congress in 1917.

The National Guard, funded by the federal government, occupying property leased to the federal government, using weapons owned by the federal government, punishing trespassers under federal law, is a state militia.

These phrases," right of the people peaceably to assemble," "right of the people to be secure in their homes," "enumeration's herein of certain rights shall not be construed to disparage others retained by the people," and "The powers not delegated herein are reserved to the states respectively, and to the people," all refer to individuals, but "the right of the people to keep and bear arms" refers to the state.

We don't need guns against an oppressive government, because the Constitution has internal safeguards, but we should ban and seize all guns, thereby violating the 2nd, 4th, and 5th amendments to that Constitution.

Rifles and handguns aren't necessary to national defense, which is why the army has millions of them.

Private citizens shouldn't have handguns, because they serve no military purpose, and private citizens shouldn't have "assault rifles," because they are military weapons.

The ready availability of guns today, with waiting periods, background checks, fingerprinting, government forms, et cetera, is responsible for recent school shootings,compared to the lack of school shootings in the 40's, 50's and 60's, which resulted from the availability of guns at hardware stores, surplus stores, gas stations, variety stores, mail order, et cetera.

The NRA's attempt to run a "don't touch" campaign about kids handling guns is propaganda, and the anti-gun lobby's attempt to run a "don't touch" campaign is responsible social activity.

Guns are so complex that special training is necessary to use them properly, and so simple to use that they make murder easy.

A handgun, with up to 4 controls, is far too complex for the typical adult to learn to use, as opposed to an automobile that only has 20.

Women are just as intelligent and capable as men but a woman with a gun is "an accident waiting to happen" and gun makers' advertisements aimed at women are "preying on their fears."

Ordinary people in the presence of guns turn into slaughtering butchers but revert to normal when the weapon is removed.

Guns cause violence, which is why there are so many mass killings at gun shows.

A majority of the population supports gun control, just like a majority of the population supported owning slaves.

A self-loading small arm can legitimately be considered to be a "weapon of mass destruction" or an "assault weapon."

Most people can't be trusted, so we should have laws against guns, which most people will abide by because they can be trusted.

The right of online pornographers to exist cannot be questioned because it is constitutionally protected by the Bill of Rights, but the use of handguns for self defense is not really protected by the Bill of Rights.

Free speech entitles one to own newspapers, transmitters, computers, and typewriters, but self-defense only justifies bare hands.

The ACLU is good because it uncompromisingly defends certain parts of the Constitution, and the NRA is bad, because it defends other parts of the Constitution.

Charlton Heston as president of the NRA is a shill who should be ignored, but Michael Douglas as a representative of Handgun Control, Inc. is an ambassador for peace who is entitled to an audience at the UN arms control summit.

Police operate with backup within groups, which is why they need larger capacity pistol magazines than do "civilians" who must face criminals alone and therefore need less ammunition.

We should ban "Saturday Night Specials" and other inexpensive guns because it's not fair that poor people have access to guns too.

Police officers, who qualify with their duty weapons once or twice a year, have some special Jedi-like mastery over handguns that private citizens can never hope to obtain.

Private citizens don't need a gun for self-protection because the police are there to protect them even though the Supreme Court says the police are not responsible for their protection.

Citizens don't need to carry a gun for personal protection but police chiefs, who are desk-bound administrators who work in a building filled with cops, need a gun.

"Assault weapons" have no purpose other than to kill large numbers of people, which is why the police need them but "civilians" do not.

When Microsoft pressures its distributors to give Microsoft preferential promotion, that's bad; but when the Federal government pressures cities to buy guns only from Smith & Wesson, that's good.

Trigger locks do not interfere with the ability to use a gun for defensive purposes, which is why you see police officers with one on their duty weapon.

When Handgun Control, Inc., says they want to "keep guns out of the wrong hands," they don't mean you. Really.

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Aber bitte nur mit Filter.........

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Brauch ich nicht!

Ist viel zu hitzig, schwitzig und unbequem.

Außerdem müßte ich wohl einen horrenden Aufpreis für ein XXL-Modell bezahlen.

Ich weiß nicht, vielleicht bin ich irgend wie nicht normal! Was ich auch sage und mache, niemand bedroht mich! Keiner will auf mich schießen oder mir auch nur in die Fresse hauen. Im Gegenteil, meine "Kunden" wollen alle immer unbdingt zu mir und nicht zu meinen Kollegen. Und sie beschimpfen und bedrohen mich nicht, manche drücken mir sogar ihre ganze Lebensgeschichte aufs Auge und wollen sich mit Weinflaschen etc. bedanken (was ich natürlich nicht annehmen kann).

Irgendwas stimmt nicht mit mir! Bin ich denn SO bedeutungslos, daß mir KEIN MENSCH dieser Welt ein Leid zufügen will???

BIN ICH SO WERTLOS, DAß IHR GAUNER DA DRAUßEN NOCH NICHT MAL EINE EINZIGE LAUSIGE KUGEL FÜR MICH ÜBRIG HABT???

Ist mein Knoblauchgeruch so stark, daß ihr Euch mir noch nicht mal auf Armeslänge nähern wollt, um mir ein Messer in den Rücken zu rammen???

O GRAUSAME WELT, IN DER MAN EINES TAGES UNBEDROHT UND UNBESCHOSSEN IN DIE URNE HÜPFEN MUß!!!

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