Lebenstraum oder Lebenslüge?

[Hollowpoint]

"I have a dream"............so sproch dereinst Martin Luther King.

Immerhin erfüllte sich ein Teil seiner Träume, die er für die schwarze Volksgruppe in den USA träumte.

Ich habe auch solche Träume. Z.B. daß das FWR eines Tages mal SOLCHE Pressekommentare bekommt:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/05/opinion/05tue4.html?_r=2&oref=login&oref=slogin

Once a Progressive State, Minnesota Is Now a Fief of the N.R.A.

By VERLYN KLINKENBORG

Published: September 5, 2006

A couple of weeks ago, I checked into a hotel in Bloomington, a Minneapolis suburb framed by the airport and the Mall of America. On the hotel door was a sign: “Firearms Banned on These Premises.” The next day I drove to St. Joseph, an hour west of the Twin Cities, where I saw the same sign. Slowly the logical conclusion sank in. If firearms are banned on these premises, then they must not be banned in other places.

Sure enough, a year ago the State Legislature passed a “concealed carry” law, which means that it’s legal to carry a concealed weapon if you have a permit. So that no one misses the point, the Legislature has also turned Minnesota into what is called a “shall require” state. If you apply for a concealed-weapon permit, the local authorities must grant it to you.

I asked one of the state coalitions opposed to these laws whether it would attack them in the Legislature this year. The answer was no. It is too busy trying to defeat a “shoot first” bill, which would give gun owners the right to fire away instead of trying to avoid a confrontation. The way I see it, Minnesota is only one step away from requiring every citizen to carry a gun and use it when provoked.

There are some other twists to these laws. A person carrying a concealed weapon cannot be banned from a public building, even if itÂ’s a library full of kids. Churches have succeeded in keeping guns out of the pews, but theyÂ’re having to fight another court battle to keep them out of the parking lot. The application for a concealed-weapon permit appears to have been created by people who believe the real threat in carrying a gun is the loss of privacy entailed in filling out the form. Yet it isnÂ’t possible for a member of the public to find out who has received a permit and may, in fact, be packing heat.

This is what I’d expect of Florida, which recently passed a “shoot first” — also called a “shoot the Avon lady” — bill. I’d expect it of Texas too. But Minnesota? I grew up thinking of Minnesota as a socially progressive state. After all, it was home of the D.F.L. — the Democratic Farmer Labor Party — and a place where local control and common sense had strong roots. Like my family in Iowa, Minnesotans were gun owners because they hunted pheasants and rabbits and deer. But then I’m thinking of a time when the leadership of the National Rifle Association resembled a band of merry sportsmen and not the paranoid cabal it is today. Whether this was also a time when a legislator could vote his conscience, and not his gun lobbyist’s orders, I was too young to know.

I grew up hunting and shooting, and I still own two rifles (a .22 and a .270) and two shotguns (a 20-gauge and a 12-gauge, to be specific). When I was young, I expected that I would own guns when I grew up because I enjoyed hunting and I liked the good hunters I knew — as I still do.

But to me, owning guns and knowing how to use them properly was part of a civic bargain. I would leave the police work to the police, and they would leave the squirrel hunting to me. The notion that 38 states would have “concealed carry” laws in 2006 would have seemed insane, a regression to a more primitive idea of who we are.

The N.R.A. would argue that society has changed since those innocent days. But society hasn’t changed nearly as much as the N.R.A. has — or our ideas about the balance of individual and collective rights.

Every concealed weapon, with very few exceptions, is a blow against the public safety. The new gun laws in Minnesota take away local discretion over concealed-weapon permits, and they cost the local authorities plenty too.

But there’s a bigger problem. By focusing so obsessively on an individual’s rights — in this case, the purported individual right to bear arms in the library — all other rights are shoved aside. Police departments are forced to grant concealed-weapon permits to individuals who have almost none of the training and certainly none of the restrictions that police officers have.

WhatÂ’s worse, by granting this right to individuals, the law strips the public of its right to occupy public spaces without the threat of being shot. The police are trained to handle guns. The criminals know theyÂ’re not supposed to have them but find them easy to get, thanks to the N.R.A. Let them fight it out. No one is safer if gun-carrying civilians believe their rights entitle them to pretend theyÂ’re cops.

Sometimes I think the N.R.A. isn’t really about guns at all. It’s about making certain that the public — our political and civil society, in other words — has no ability to limit the rights of an individual. That is really what the logic of the “concealed carry” and “shall require” and “shoot first” laws says.

Guns make a perfect test case, because the end result is an armed cohort that is very prickly about its personal rights. The N.R.A. has armed the thousands of Minnesotans who applied for a permit once the “concealed carry” law passed. But it has disarmed the public by making sure that legislators will no longer vote for gun laws that protect the rest of us.

:mrgreen: :!: :!: :!:

GRUß

[Guest MarcDW]

Ja, diese Schilder sind in einigen Staaten immer haeufiger zu finden.

Allerdings haben diese Schilder in den meisten Staaten keine strafrechtliche Wirkung und der Betreiber des Gebaeudes kann einen nur fuer immer verweisen.

In TX (von allen Staaten) ist es allerdings leider ein Strafbestand!

Insgesammt wird es wohl in einigen Jahren ein US weiten Waffenschein geben.

Das waere super, denn dann koennten Staaten wie MA oder CA nix mehr selber backen und einem verweisen.

[Hollowpoint]

Marc, mir ging es eigentlich mehr darum, daß die NRA mit ihrer Lobbyarbeit derart effizient ist, daß die linksliberalen "Journalisten" das große KOTZEN kriegen!!!

LEIDER ist dem in D nicht so! :?

GRUß

[Guest MarcDW]

Das die Linken eine auf die Fresse bekommen ist seit GWB die Regel.

Worum glaubst Du wird in DE immer so gegen GWB gewettert, auch wenn er Recht hat.

[Guest Attila]

eine auf die Fresse bekommen

Ei, ich erinnere Dich mal an folgendes oder wie war das gleich mit dem Gossendeutsch ?

Das war von mir:

Du hast es gerade nötig die große Fresse zu haben.

Deine Antwort :

Obendrein beweisst Du wieder mit Deinem Gossendeutsch wo Du ...

Wir mußten nicht lange warten.

[Guest MarcDW]

Tja, gewisse Abfaerbungen kommen nun mal wenn man ueber gewisse Leute redet!

[Nasenbär]

Marc, mir ging es eigentlich mehr darum, daß die NRA mit ihrer Lobbyarbeit derart effizient ist, daß die linksliberalen "Journalisten" das große KOTZEN kriegen!!!

LEIDER ist dem in D nicht so!

Und jetzt stell er sich mal die Frage, warum dies so ist .... und geb er sich gleich selbst die Antwort, der Herr Oberschlau ..... und wenn er sie sich gegeben hat, verpasse er sich direkt die GELBE KARTE.